- 1 Genestealer
- 2 Spammers
- 3 Promotion
- 4 Activities
- 5 New Version
- 6 Re: Problem
- 7 DPL
- 8 Background Changes/Old Fluff
- 9 2nd ed rulebook image change
- 10 Magnus and Skaven history articles
- 11 a little out-dated
- 12 Draft
- 13 Names
- 14 Recent developments
- 15 Sources
- 16 Old background, reply
- 17 White Dwarf Numbers
- 18 Issues
- 19 Capitalisation
- 20 Headings
- 21 Thanks
- 22 The f***?
- 23 Canon or not?
- 24 deleting
I'm not a sysop - I don't think it's necessary to be one to contribute :) (for deletions ask Inquisitor S. (German 40k - for all Lexicani) or Jonru (English 40k - for the english ones)). I just try to help in the six different Lexicani from time to time.
To the deletion candidates:
Category:Undead -There're apart from Nagash a lot of necromancers (Kemmler, Hellsnicht) and other things (Nightmare Legion, Zombie Dragon etc.) that don't fit in one of the current army book spectrum - so I would keep this category.
Category:Minor Races -I think this category is useful, as it should contains races like gnomes, halflings, giants, zoats or fimirs (that's why I requested it).
Category:Elves -Of course it's possible to include all pre-war elves in the high elves-section, but there're also Sea elves and a common history - would keep it.
Don't take this as some kind of criticism - it's good to see someone's working on this long enough forgotten part of the Lex-family. Greetings, --Genestealer, Magus 02:51, 29 November 2008 (CET)
Vampires & Necromancers is a good idea (as it's mostly Old World and not Khemri stuff). But the Nightmare Legion (a regiment of Reknown) was just a band of undead tilean soldiers, the cursed company of Kreugar too (okay, imperial undead). Another example are the Storm Riders or Krell. They're all... just undead.--Genestealer, Magus 05:35, 29 November 2008 (CET)
What about an article (like Lexicanum:Spam) to collect them - it would be easier for the sysops as they're not always here.--Genestealer, Magus 22:17, 18 December 2008 (CET)
Btw - as you`re recently the most active user here - if you always discuss major changes (categories etc.) and keep on working for the project I would vote for you if you wanna be a Sysop for the english Fantasy Lex - ask Inquisitor S. . --Genestealer, Magus 04:43, 19 December 2008 (CET)
Sorry, was in Prague over New Year. Looks like the spam attack is over (for now), but of course there're always some simple minded people having nothing else to do with their time... . And this Brad2206 with his/her/its profound contribution (and the fact that he/she/it's still not banned) shows the need of a sysop here, as Jonru and Inquisitor S. can't take a look on this lex every day (week). Btw - a happy new year!.--Genestealer, Magus 17:11, 2 January 2009 (CET)
As he's not in the Fantasy-Lex every day, I also contacted him in the 40k-Lex. Things are getting worse here.--Genestealer, Magus 17:03, 9 January 2009 (CET)
Seems these "users" start with inserting nonsense, and if they're not blocked fast enough they put their links in the articles. I don't think it's some kind of personal revenge as other wikies are suffering too. Whatever the reason, it's annoying. Hope you'll get the sysop status soon (Inquisitor S. unexpectedly gave it to me in the english 40k lex to block the spammers as he's currently busy with other things - unfortunately he's the only active bureaucrat of the Lexicanum).--Genestealer, Magus 02:32, 10 January 2009 (CET)
Alas I cannot promote you, I don't have the required status (bureaucrat). I would support your appointment however as I don't have time for this much now.--Jonru 12:04, 10 January 2009 (CET)
- Field promotion done ;) A new option "block" should appear behind the usernames. If not please log out, empty your cache and login again. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum 13:22, 13 January 2009 (CET)
- Created Template:SpeedyDelete - I think it's better to have normal deletion request with the possibility of discussion and a request in case of obvious absurdity, vandalism, spelling errors etc. . The english 40k lex has only the former and the other lexicani only the latter - so we're some kind of precursor here :)
- Changed some template pics - for example the goat head is more suitable for problematic users ;)
To the portal boxes - personally I don't like where they are (right at the top). This place should be reserved for images imo, so I would place them at the end of the articles. What do you think?--Genestealer, Magus 18:49, 16 January 2009 (CET)
- Portal Boxes - okay, so we should let them out till the portals become useful. Then we can consider where to place them.
- Deletions - there's the problem, that all the text (the discussions) in the category will appear over the deletion candidates. If there're really some considerable discussions, we always need to scroll down to find "our" targets. And I have some kind of horror facing "article categories" (blame it to both french lexicani) ;)
--Genestealer, Magus 21:37, 16 January 2009 (CET)
If you have layout problems, go to Preferences --> Skin, and save the LexFB skin.--Genestealer, Magus 23:31, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I possess some older publications (mostly 40k, but also the Realm of Chaos books, several old WD's, Citadel Journals and other stuff) - if you remember a specific image, I'll look if it's published there.--Genestealer, Magus 18:24, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm looking through the web for better images but it's not that easy. I'm also re-uploading some images (some of the names are simply way too complicated). I hope that you agree with my recent work, but if you don't agree please tell me asap. Aehren 21:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
It's okay, especially if there're too much numbers in the image names (or the name doesn't fit).
The Horned Rat... Hum, don't remeber that one. But I have a picture of a lesser rat-like chaos god (Kweethul), also on a throne. I'll upload it (as it's needed anyway for the appropriate article).--Genestealer, Magus 16:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Kweethul isn't the hornet rat nor it's predecessor, and his demons are not rat-like (one looks like a bloated bull and another like a harpie). I'll create his article in the future. Btw, seems like you're an Adrian Smith fan ;) --Genestealer, Magus 20:37, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
This should be no real problem, as we don't use this style in the lexicanum - just change it to this.
I don't possess this army book, but maybe it's published in an old WD - I'll look trough, if I have the time.--Genestealer, Magus 15:48, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
[[File:Skaven Warlord Smith.jpg|thumb|left|120px|This?]]
DPL means "Dynamic page listing" and is an useful tool (included with the last update) for list articles and portals. For example:
category=Skaven|Skaven Magic Items|Skaven Characters
This will show you all articles that are in the "Unreferenced" category (due to the template) and in at least one the three other categories:
<DPL> debug=0 category=Unreferenced category=Skaven|Skaven Magic Items|Skaven Characters count=50 </dpl>
For more information look here.
It seems & causes some problems - if it's included in an category name the list shows simply nothing. In the tool "|" means "or" and "&" "and". You may use it to list articles that are in the "Unreferenced" category and in all the other categories:
category=Special Characters&The Empire
<DPL> debug=0 category=Unreferenced category=Special Characters&The Empire count=50 </dpl>
You could create many lists with DPL, for example a list of all special orc characters, imperial war machines, all Skaven stub articles (for the portal) etc. . And the best thing about it: the list "updates" itself without additional work.--Genestealer, Magus 16:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Background Changes/Old Fluff
It's not wrong to publish older background here - of course it must be indicated that it's not current any more. We're not GW (die aus Angst, Unwissen oder Machthunger unermesslich wertvolles Wissen zerstört haben ;)) and not some army book replacement. People who read our Wiki should get not only the recent background - they should also read about the "history" of an army/faction/creature, see old miniature pics, some weird creations from the Eighties, old games and books - in a short: the whole thing.
Orks & Goblins... if you want, change it back (I'll find a way to maintain the portal). But there should IMO also be a category Greenskins for Orcs, Goblins, Hobgoblins and Snotlings. It must not be shown on the category page, but it would be a bracket for interested readers ("hum, wait... there's more? Hey, mongolian greenskins in the East... and those slaves of the ogres are relatives of the hooded mushroom-eaters?").
Your change withe the rat ogre is absolutely correct - I think this should be happen with a lot of other Skaven articles, too. I suppose there're no other clanrats and plague censer bearers out there.--Genestealer, Magus 00:28, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
2nd ed rulebook image change
Hi, i've moved the new picture you found to the previous name because, aside from then having 2 of the same image (kinda), it keeps to the convention I put the images into. Your image is still there, just on the other name. Hope that's ok.--Jonru 08:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Magnus and Skaven history articles
Hi. Could you have a look at the Magnus and [[Skaven history]] articles? I'm looking for a reason to delete them (aside from being rubbish) and was wondering if they came straight out of a book? They read like they do! Thanks--Jonru 09:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
a little out-dated
I understand... but I'm not here to transcribe the most current and up to the minute asinine shit from GW's army books. In fact my next contribution is going to be about the fabulously big-lipped negroid Pygmies of Lustria. hahahaha. --Acidface 04:35, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I recently bought the "Tome of Salvation" and the fluff has some changes (most minor). Haleth is described as a minor goddess
According to that book, "minor god" does not necessarily mean a unique and separate god, it can simply mean the local name or aspect of another god. For instance, it lists Handrich and Haendryk (and all its other alternate local names) as separate minor gods. So as far as Rhya/Haleth/etc I don't see any contradiction between the two books.
"Most of the minor deities, however, are mere aspects of the main pantheon..." ToS --Acidface 16:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
The Sundering is the great civil war that opposes the High Elves against the Dark Elves.
The Sundering wasn't a brief event but a long affair over many lifetimes.
- Birth of Malekith
Aenarion was the Phoenix King of Ulthuan and had just defeated a great army of Chaos with the Sword of Khaine when he met Morathi. Morathi was imprisoned by a Slaaneshs warband and Aenarion rescued her and was bewitched by spells she had learnt from the Slaaneshi cultists. A few years after returning to Ulthuan she bore Aenerion a son, Malekith who grew up in the warlike culture of Nagarythe learning how to fight and draw battle plans.
- Death of Aenarion
Malekith journeyed around the Old World, learning lots about the ways of the other races. When he returned he found his father dead and the court of princes debating the new leader of the High Elves. To many the obvious choice for the new Phoenix king was Malekith but the princes wanted a less warlike warrior to rebuild their civilization after the war against Chaos. Bel-Shanaar was chosen and to everyones surprise Malekith was the first to pay him tribute.
- Cult of Pleasure
Bel-Shanaar began to have problems with the cult of Pleasure that began to spread throughout Ulthaun. It had started in Nagarythe but the phoenix king didn't want to look disloyal to the dead Aenerion by searching through its halls. Malekith was intent on routing out these cultists and asked the court of princes for command of the armies so that he could search more thoroughly. The princes agreed and mere days later Malekith found that his mother, Morathi, was behind the cult.
- Death of Bel-Shanaar
Malekith denounced Morathi and at the same time as Bel-Shanaar died of poisoning. The princes suspected Malekith and summoned him to meet them. Meanwhile the armies under Malekith's control ransacked the palace where Bel-Shanaar was born burning all and making a mark of Khaine in the courtyard. At the council of princes Malekith announced that Bel-Shannar had been in league with Slannesh and that he had poisoned himself to atone for his sins.
- Armour of Midnight
At the moment that the princes called Malekith a traitor his warriors marched in and slew the princes. Malekith walked into the flames of Asuryan expecting to be blessed like his father only to burn due his impurity. Leaderless, the armies of Nagarythe fled north to their homeland in disarray. Hotek, a renegade priest of Vaul, crafted armour for Malekith that would preserve his weakened body on Morathi's request. It was called the armour of midnight and then on Malekith was known as the Witch King.
- Flight to Naggaroth
Filled with hate Malekith sent his armies to war against his fellow elves and within weeks his army was the greatest in Ulthuan. Meanwhile Morathi's wizards where unravelling the magical vortex that had stopped the Vortex reopening in the hope that the evil tide of Chaos would destroy the enemies of the Dark Elves. The portal was just about to open and destroy Ulthuan when Caledor Dragontamer and the other high Elf wizards, who where trapped inside the vortex for many centuries, reversed the magic and the magical backlash ripped apart Nagarythe and only the greatest of the fortresses survived, floating in the sea towards their destiny.
Sorry, but the name policy is clear in all other Lexicani - if known, the full name must be used (see Ezekyle Abaddon, Sebastian Yarrick and the German version of this article for example).--Genestealer, Magus 15:40, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
GW is starting a campaign against copyright violations. So we should give them no reason to bothering us too. I'll delete all army list articles - they're useless in the Lexicanum anyway.--Genestealer, Magus 03:05, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
It is necessary to include sources in the articles - this counts for everyone.--Lexstealer, Magus 00:42, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- I know, sorry. Don't tell anyone but sometimes I edit from my workplace and I don't have my armybooks at hand. Aehren 17:54, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
When you edit articles, please check them with the GW site. Some articles, like the Pistolier, were completely copied from there without even mentioning sources. I'm surprised that you failed to notice that. And about the armybooks; I don't have any, but this doesn't hinder me, for the GW site is good enough. NTC3 07:33, 28 May 2011 (CEST)
- Well, I don't always check if the info was copied or not (I didn't wrote the article, I just categorized it). However please give give me a warning if you find any article clearly copied from GW, Wikipedia, or the books (word-for-word, sentence-for-sentence). They have to be deleted. If you wish I can delete the Pistolier-article and then you can re-paste your material (first you have to copy it of course). Aehren 15:05, 29 May 2011 (CEST)
Old background, reply
yes, outdated, but still more intriguing and compelling. I would be all for using it for separate Empire and Bretonnia articles. I was also thinking about doing something on the noble families of the Empire, something that the new fluff has totally dismissed. --Acidface 05:38, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for starting the empire article - I don't know why but I've been putting off doing it til now. --Acidface 01:44, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
- No problem; remember always that we are not obliged to work upon an article if we don't wish to. If you find it simply better (funnier :) to expand and improve other articles instead, then you're certainly free to do it. Just remember to have fun with your edits in this wiki. Aehren 19:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
It's looking good - Thanks for asking. Actually I was waiting for you to add a Dwarf section, but now I see it's more about "Empire-Skaven relations." --Acidface 07:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
White Dwarf Numbers
What are your thoughts on this? Tdf4638 17:04, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
We have to talk about several organisational issues like guidelines, sourcing, unproven information etc. and how to enforce them --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum 11:05, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
- Other lexicanum sitesy are not official sources and therefore not accepted
- Missing footnotes and unproven speculation, unacceptable article name
- unacceptable file name, no internal links in description
- Don't use ref for footnotes. Exclusively use the established <sup></sup>.
- Unacceptable source
- Missing footnotes
- Unacceptable source
- etc. etc. etc. Please come to the forum to discuss managing issues of the English fantasy lex, thanks. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum 11:05, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
- I joined today (under Aehren - hey I like to keep it simple), but I'm unable to find the discussion about pictures and images. Where can I find/join the discussion about it? Aehren 13:45, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
- We still have to open it. Basically I would like to discuss with you (since you are sysop and most active user over here) how to apply certain rules and make sure the most essential rules are understood. This is to avoid unnecessary work in the future, not because I criticize you. I created the thread here. --Inquisitor S., Großmeister des Ordo Lexicanum 15:43, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Although the English language does not strictly require the capitalisation of the first word in headings, it is very common to do so. Before the Lexicanum I had never seen it done any other way and in my eyes, the templates give a sloppy impression the way they are now. That is why Kiwicgris202 edited them and I think they should be edited back. Regards /Hildifons 21:43, 5 July 2011 (CEST)
- Hmmm, look I'm not a native English-speaker and if you are one then I'm certainly willing to take your word for it. However if you are "a foreigner like myself" we will have to ask somebody whose mother-tongue is English.
- However if you are a native English-speaker you have to give me some details. You said the first word is usually capitalised. What about the other ones? What if the first word is a mere "the"? What if we have a 'the' followed by two nouns?
- Let me ask specific cases:
- Template:ProvincesHighElves (realms & colonies of the High Elves) 'realms' gets capitalised, but what about 'colonies'?
- Template:ProvincesBretonnia (the dukedoms of Bretonnia) 'the' gets capitalised, but what about 'dukedoms'?
- Perhaps it would be better if we improved all 'first lines' of the templates with a 'The' (e.g.: 'The realms & colonies of the High Elves' 'The gods & goddesses of the Old World', etc)? Aehren 02:42, 6 July 2011 (CEST)
- I have decided to follow my last idea - to include a 'The' in the templates. I hope that this gives a more improved/sophisticated impression. Aehren 07:05, 6 July 2011 (CEST)
- It is an improvement but not really necessarily. Headings should be concise and all non-essential words omitted. Also, I think "and" should be used instead of an ampersand. Here are the guidelines used by English Wikipedia.
I fail to see a reason why should headings be used with 3 equal signs instead of 2... - Chimto 06:55, 25 September 2011 (CEST)
- The 'Notes & sources' section is of major importance and it isn't truly a regular section of the article. It should therefore clearly stand out and be differentiated from the regular sections of the article. 'Notes & sources' gets 2 = and 'common sections' get 3 =. Aehren 07:03, 25 September 2011 (CEST)
- If it's not a 'regular' section, then it should be marked with a single = instead of 2, and the other sections should get 2. - Chimto
- Sorry, but I don't agree. There is no need for an underline for every simple/common section of an article. My problem is the underline (too many of them will hurt the visual presentation of an article). An article has one underline under the title and another one at the end (Notes & sources). More than that is simply ugly. It's unlikely that I will change my mind in this particular matter. Aehren 15:24, 25 September 2011 (CEST)
- If it's not a 'regular' section, then it should be marked with a single = instead of 2, and the other sections should get 2. - Chimto
Thanks for the pointers! Im new to this and still getting the hang of it. I intend to create a fair few pages, but I am currently well away from my resources and I tend not to download copies of them from file sharing websites, so some things will have to wait (I have a number of Witch Hunter books and resources to pour through when I get to them). Until then I have put in a number of Dark Omen references because there fun, add a level of depth and character to some articles and really easy to do. I didn't know Warhammer Online wasn't canon, so thanks for that- Thornblood
Well, this is really annoying. Sorry, I wasn't here for some time but count on me for the next time until there's (hopefully) a solution for this problem. Don't hesitate to block suspicious accounts, just use this template.--Lexstealer, Magus 02:19, 3 December 2011 (CET)
Canon or not?
Quick question that I've been wondering about: As far as this wiki is concerned is Warhammer Online and anything related to it (including stuff that fits in with WFB) considered canon here? This query includes artwork as well as fluff. Kiwichris202 00:19, 23 December 2011 (CET)
- Warhammer Online is NOT cannon. There are several contradictions between it and the descriptions of the sources. Just a stupid example: humans running around in Ulthuan. AFAIK it happens in the game but the descriptions of the sourcebooks and novels are extremely clear: humans may not legally go further than Lothern. Aehren 19:38, 7 January 2012 (CET)
- thats not true Finubar had Bel-Hathor lift the ban on anybody except high elves entering ulthuan, it says so under the article finubar on this wiki. -Flojborg (i am to lazy right now to learn how to sign myself in)
- That was Lothern, not Ulthuan. Warhammer Online follows an independent timeline, it's a "What if?" of the Storm of Chaos. -- Аsuryan's 01:10, 26 March 2015 (MDT)
hi i don't know how to delete entire entries, i have seen the error of my ways and now i have come to repent for my wasted youth, the article on Grimgor Ironhide is copied entirely from wikipedia, and i would like for it to be deleted since its kind of a jerk move from my side. -Flojborg ( i am so sorry, please forgive me dear master, forgive the arrogance of my youth)